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  1. Standard membervivify
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    I'm going to ask an honest question, with zero sarcasm, zero mocking and total respect. I also ask any liberals to do the same, if only just for this thread.

    Do you think Trump is a better president than Obama? If so, please state why. There will be no rebuttals from me, though I may ask you to elaborate on some points. I just want a clear and concise answer, for which I won't attack you for, either here or elsewhere on this site.

    Is Obama worse than Trump? If so, please state why.

    Please don't give some sarcastic answer. I'm asking you in the most respectful way possible, and I'm sincere when I say I won't hold against you anything you say.
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    @vivify said
    I'm going to ask an honest question, with zero sarcasm, zero mocking and total respect. I also ask any liberals to do the same, if only just for this thread.

    Do you think Trump is a better president than Obama? If so, please state why. There will be no rebuttals from me, though I may ask you to elaborate on some points. I just want a clear and concise answer, for which ...[text shortened]... most respectful way possible, and I'm sincere when I say I won't hold against you anything you say.
    Good luck getting honest answers.
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    @vivify said
    I'm going to ask an honest question, with zero sarcasm, zero mocking and total respect. I also ask any liberals to do the same, if only just for this thread.

    Do you think Trump is a better president than Obama? If so, please state why. There will be no rebuttals from me, though I may ask you to elaborate on some points. I just want a clear and concise answer, for which ...[text shortened]... most respectful way possible, and I'm sincere when I say I won't hold against you anything you say.
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump did not give Iran billions of dollars to continue to wreak havoc in the Middle East and continue their WMD programs. I don't care if it was their money. If someone commits a heinous crime in the US, they often lose their assets as well.
    e. Trump recognizes China as a threat and recognizes their unfair trade practices and has the gonads to challenge them on it. Granted, he may lose as we seem to be paying a price for it economically right now.
    f. Trump did a better job helping to clear out ISIS out of Syria and Iraq instead of drawing imaginary red lines in the sand while overseeing mass genocide and immigration from the region that has overwhelmed Europe.

    2. Domestic

    a. Trump does not race bait. He NEVER mentions race but is only accused of being a racist based upon his perceived lack of condemnation regarding racists, even though he has repeatedly condemned racists in the past.
    b. Trump does not feed into the notion that law enforcement is racist as innocent white policemen are murdered all across the country, while then refusing to say the words "Islamic terrorism" with the premise it might cause people to harm innocent Muslims.
    c. That leads me to Trump not feeding into PC. He makes me cringe at times and I don't always agree with what he says or the way he goes about it, but he has been at war with the PC Nazis his entire term and I love it! In a world where it is PC to pretend to decapitate the President of the US as humorous and not PC to call a man or a woman a man or a woman because it is offensive and hateful, it was much needed.
    d. Trump refused to participate in the Paris Accord. I bet France wishes they didn't as well. And it has precious little to do with me disagreeing with the science of global warming, because the scientists that agree with global warming agree that the Paris Accord was nothing short of a band aid on a cancer just to make us feel better about ourselves, while harming the economy. And no, taxes don't lower carbon emissions. If you want my support and taxes, then build nuclear reactors. Until then, no big pots of money top lay with like Social Security that governments rob from.
    e. I would say that Trump lowered taxes, but then, Obama did as well when he reinstituted the "W" tax cuts to help jump start the economy.
    f. Trump did lower regulations that further helped jump start the economy, an economy with the lowest unemployment in a very long time.
    g. Trump says he wants to build a wall and secure the border. We see the drug cartels in South American and Central America rule and reign over governments there, and I think they do as well here, which is why I don't think the wall will ever get built. I'm not even sure that Trump was serious about it or if he was just smart enough to know that saying such things was the key to victory, but at least we get to hear the words.
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    @whodey said
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump d ...[text shortened]... nough to know that saying such things was the key to victory, but at least we get to hear the words.
    I'll get back tomorrow. Gonna take me awhile to write the O admin crimes. And the Clintons to the list. Edit. Add the Bush's and all the politicians since time began. All liars and thieves and murderers
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    @whodey said
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump d ...[text shortened]... nough to know that saying such things was the key to victory, but at least we get to hear the words.
    Just a point, but compare 1e with 2f.
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    @whodey said
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump d ...[text shortened]... nough to know that saying such things was the key to victory, but at least we get to hear the words.
    You didn't answer the question. All you did was put up a list that includes Trump "stopping" someone with no nukes on his warheads.

    Is Trump a better president than Obama? Yes or no? If so, why?
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    @whodey said
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump d ...[text shortened]... the sand while overseeing mass genocide and immigration from the region that has overwhelmed Europe.
    1b, 1c, 1d are things he didn't do.

    1a. No he didnt. He caused tension then resolved it. Back to status quo.
    1e. As you say. You may lose, so not an accomplishment.
    1f. I'm not aware of Trump's intervention. It just happened while he was POTUS.
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    @whodey said
    Easy Peazy.

    1. Foreign policy

    a. Trump has stopped Rocket man from playing with his toys in the Pacific and averted war doing it.
    b. Trump has not started a war abroad. Something not done for decades.
    c. Trump did not release terrorists to go back into the world to rejoin the terrorists for one US POW that went native and seemingly helped the Taliban.
    d. Trump d ...[text shortened]... nough to know that saying such things was the key to victory, but at least we get to hear the words.
    Summary: He's white like me.
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    @kquinn909 said
    I'll get back tomorrow. Gonna take me awhile to write the O admin crimes. And the Clintons to the list. Edit. Add the Bush's and all the politicians since time began. All liars and thieves and murderers
    Damn!

    That would take a year or two.
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    @wolfgang59 said
    1b, 1c, 1d are things he didn't do.

    1a. No he didnt. He caused tension then resolved it. Back to status quo.
    1e. As you say. You may lose, so not an accomplishment.
    1f. I'm not aware of Trump's intervention. It just happened while he was POTUS.
    Trump did cause tension and then resolved it.

    It's called negotiating.

    And yes, he may lose, but he has the gonads to fight.

    Unlike Obama, he is not afraid to fight just because he might lose.
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    @vivify said
    You didn't answer the question. All you did was put up a list that includes Trump "stopping" someone with no nukes on his warheads.

    Is Trump a better president than Obama? Yes or no? If so, why?
    Trump only had to do two things to be a better President than any President in the last 50 years because the bar has been set soooo low.

    1. Don't start a war.
    2. Improve the economy.

    His term is not done yet but it looks promising.
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    @whodey said
    Trump only had to do two things to be a better President than any President in the last 50 years because the bar has been set soooo low.

    1. Don't start a war.
    2. Improve the economy.

    His term is not done yet but it looks promising.
    You don't think any President has improved your economy in the last 50 years? Who is responsible for your economic boom over the last 50 years then?
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    FACT Trump is a nut case


    FACT Obama is sane
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    Can anyone here cite one moment when O ever used words like self reliance, better yourself, be successful, be independent, reduce govt regulations, work hard, you get my drift. Trump is always working. 18 hrs a day. Trump did not say ‘I’m going to spread the wealth around’ Jesus. Trump does not make childish comments like ‘the main thing I’ll miss when I step down is the plane’. Trump owns the room in any world stage. He doesn’t say’uhh’ all the time. He doesn’t apologize for America. Trump puts America first, O wanted us homogenized. Ousted tear gas at the border. O, like Hillary once said to stop immigrants. Those people were hypocrites, trump is not. Is there really a question here?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Can anyone here cite one moment when O ever used words like self reliance, better yourself, be successful, be independent, reduce govt regulations, work hard, you get my drift. Trump is always working. 18 hrs a day. Trump did not say ‘I’m going to spread the wealth around’ Jesus. Trump does not make childish comments like ‘the main thing I’ll miss when I step down is the ...[text shortened]... id to stop immigrants. Those people were hypocrites, trump is not. Is there really a question here?
    "Trump does not make childish comments "


    Haaaaaa!!!!! Gold, absolute comedy gold!!!
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