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  1. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    24 Dec '17 16:44 / 2 edits
    When Joe Scarborough, a former Republican lawmaker and host of Morning Joe on MSNBC was running for election he would knock on doors, soliciting votes. Joe told the audience last week that he "only had to knock on 4 doors to, to find out that you're either from the party of Jane Fonda or you're from the party of John Wayne" Such is the state of America's bitter partisan divide. So, in the coming months and years, will this bitter partisan divide continue as it is today, become deeper, or begin to moderate?
  2. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    24 Dec '17 17:07
    Originally posted by @mchill
    When Joe Scarborough, a former Republican lawmaker and host of Morning Joe on MSNBC was running for election he would knock on doors, soliciting votes. Joe told the audience last week that he "only had to knock on 4 doors to, to find out that you're either from the party of Jane Fonda or you're from the party of John Wayne" Such is the state of America's bit ...[text shortened]... , will this bitter partisan divide continue as it is today, become deeper, or begin to moderate?
    I think if the electorate are to a large extent left alone and the 'leaders' aren't trying to feed off fear and loathing of the other, then anything's possible.
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    25 Dec '17 16:29
    Originally posted by @mchill
    When Joe Scarborough, a former Republican lawmaker and host of Morning Joe on MSNBC was running for election he would knock on doors, soliciting votes. Joe told the audience last week that he "only had to knock on 4 doors to, to find out that you're either from the party of Jane Fonda or you're from the party of John Wayne" Such is the state of America's bit ...[text shortened]... , will this bitter partisan divide continue as it is today, become deeper, or begin to moderate?
    There is no mechanism for releasing the tension. It will continue to build until there is a catastrophic political event, either a civil war, a coup, a secession, or some other event that not too long ago would have been unthinkable. The worsening effects of climate change will likely be a major contributing factor.
  4. 25 Dec '17 17:46 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @mchill
    When Joe Scarborough, a former Republican lawmaker and host of Morning Joe on MSNBC was running for election he would knock on doors, soliciting votes. Joe told the audience last week that he "only had to knock on 4 doors to, to find out that you're either from the party of Jane Fonda or you're from the party of John Wayne" Such is the state of America's bit ...[text shortened]... , will this bitter partisan divide continue as it is today, become deeper, or begin to moderate?
    I believe the political divide in the United States will deepen. The United States is now an oligarchy. The uber rich are in control. They have taken over the Republican Party which has done two things to try to secure their lead at the polls. First they use gerrymandering, voter ID, limiting early voting, scrubbing voter registries and they make it generally as difficult as they can for minorities and poor people to vote to win elections. Second, they have latched onto the Right to Life Abortion issue. Many voters equate abortion with murder. Abortion trumps all other issues for these voters. The abortion issue for many will trump even cuts to the Third Rail, Medicare and Social Security. The divide will grow especially since the middle class will now decline even faster and the numbers of families living in poverty without any safety net grows. Public education is being destroyed and getting a higher education is becoming more out of reach for those whose families cannot afford to fund the cost, making it more difficult to climb out of poverty.
  5. 25 Dec '17 18:02
    Originally posted by @phranny
    I believe the political divide in the United States will deepen. The United States is now an oligarchy. The uber rich are in control. They have taken over the Republican Party which has done two things to try to secure their lead at the polls. First they use gerrymandering, voter ID, limiting early voting, scrubbing voter registries and they make it gene ...[text shortened]... whose families cannot afford to fund the cost, making it more difficult to climb out of poverty.
    We certainly won't reach compromise if views like yours are accepted as truthful. The vast majority of people who vote Republican aren't uber rich. These people aren't for misguided -- the simply feel better represented by the candidate they support.
    In today's world asking for an ID to vote is completely reasonable -- to cry about it is the voting context is simply a joke. I tend to vote Republican and I don't believe abortion is murder but those who do are entitled to advocate their cause. Education is getting more and more expensive but that price falls disproportionately on the upper middle class who are expected to pay -- not the poor who are given scholarships or loans and who benefit from affirmative action.
    The truth is everyone has a different concept of what is fair and just and views like yours which simply indicate that one view is right and all other views are wrong is the actual problem in this country.
  6. 25 Dec '17 18:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @phranny
    I believe the political divide in the United States will deepen. The United States is now an oligarchy. The uber rich are in control. They have taken over the Republican Party which has done two things to try to secure their lead at the polls. First they use gerrymandering, voter ID, limiting early voting, scrubbing voter registries and they make it gene ...[text shortened]... whose families cannot afford to fund the cost, making it more difficult to climb out of poverty.
    It is sad that America's reputation has been so damaged globally. It's a shame because I know that many didn't wish it in the slightest.

    Not all hope is lost. 3 Years goes quickly on this planet. America will have a chance to put this silliness behind it.
  7. 25 Dec '17 18:51
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    There is no mechanism for releasing the tension. It will continue to build until there is a catastrophic political event, either a civil war, a coup, a secession, or some other event that not too long ago would have been unthinkable. The worsening effects of climate change will likely be a major contributing factor.
    Wrong!

    Disempower the federal beast via the Article V convention.

    Either that, or prepare for the "revolution" that will place the strong despotic centralized government into power.
  8. 25 Dec '17 20:42
    Originally posted by @phranny
    I believe the political divide in the United States will deepen. The United States is now an oligarchy. The uber rich are in control. They have taken over the Republican Party which has done two things to try to secure their lead at the polls. First they use gerrymandering, voter ID, limiting early voting, scrubbing voter registries and they make it gene ...[text shortened]... whose families cannot afford to fund the cost, making it more difficult to climb out of poverty.
    pitiful fool!
  9. 25 Dec '17 22:28 / 1 edit
    The thought that conservative states and liberal states should not be able to self govern when it comes to issues like health care and education, etc., is absurd.

    Only fascists want to impose their beliefs on everyone.

    Support your local Article V movement.
  10. 25 Dec '17 23:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @ashiitaka
    It is sad that America's reputation has been so damaged globally. It's a shame because I know that many didn't wish it in the slightest.

    Not all hope is lost. 3 Years goes quickly on this planet. America will have a chance to put this silliness behind it.
    Does Ash object to judging the USA by the same standards under which
    other nations are judged? Many, if not most, Americans love to believe
    that the USA must be above all foreign criticism.

    Many Germans disapproved of the international reputation that
    Hitler gave Germany before the Second World War.
  11. 26 Dec '17 02:14
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Does Ash object to judging the USA by the same standards under which
    other nations are judged? Many, if not most, Americans love to believe
    that the USA must be above all foreign criticism.

    Many Germans disapproved of the international reputation that
    Hitler gave Germany before the Second World War.
    "Many, if not most, Americans love to believe
    that the USA must be above all foreign criticism."

    "Many Germans disapproved of the international reputation that
    Hitler gave Germany before the Second World War."

    One can only laugh at your juvenile attempt to speak for the masses...LOL
  12. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    26 Dec '17 09:45
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Wrong!

    Disempower the federal beast via the Article V convention.

    Either that, or prepare for the "revolution" that will place the strong despotic centralized government into power.
    Stop this "Article V" nonsense.

    Either that, or explain, in detail, not wishful thinking, how this is good for America.
  13. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    26 Dec '17 09:46
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    pitiful fool!
    That's funny. Just what we were thinking about you.

    The Republican Party is peddling lies. Grow up.
  14. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    26 Dec '17 09:48
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Many, if not most, Americans love to believe
    that the USA must be above all foreign criticism."

    "Many Germans disapproved of the international reputation that
    Hitler gave Germany before the Second World War."

    One can only laugh at your juvenile attempt to speak for the masses...LOL
    Ditto.

    As if old, white, rich, corporate-managed Republican politicians speak for the masses.
  15. 26 Dec '17 12:15
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Ditto.

    As if old, white, rich, corporate-managed Republican politicians speak for the masses.
    UMMM...when did they? a bit delusional to say the least.