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  1. Zugzwang
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    19 Apr '16 00:061 edit
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545363/Top-rabbi-sparks-outrage-saying-no-campus-rape-culture-no-thing-rape-marriage.html

    "Top US Rabbi Sparks Outrage After Saying There is No Campus Rape Culture
    and There is No Such Thing as Rape Within Marriage"
    --Amie Gordon (18 April 2016)

    Steven Pruzansky, an Orthodox rabbi, has offended many people, particularly
    women, by his comments on rape. He denied that 'rape culture' exists
    at American colleges, saying that he suspects that most reported rapes
    on campus were consensual acts of sexual intercourse where the women
    later falsely accused the men only because the men were no longer
    romantically interested in them. He claimed that all problems of rape
    on campus would be solved if women students would pledge to remain virgins
    until marriage. He apparently believes that rape's impossible within marriage.

    "If indeed there was a 'rape culture' on American campuses, no intelligent woman would want to attend college.
    The fact that more women attend college than men itself belies the accusation."
    --Steven Pruzansky

    Absurd. Most intelligent women are aware there's a risk of getting raped
    on campus, but they believe that attending college has benefits outweighing that risk.
    Likewise, most people who drive cars are aware there's a risk of accidents,
    but they believe that driving cars has benefits outweighing that risk.

    Steven Pruzansky is a lawyer (a member of the New York and federal bars)
    and was a vice-president of the Rabbinical Council of America.
    (He also has a record of extreme racist anti-Arab comments.)
    His comments on rape have been denounced by Jewish women's groups.
  2. Standard memberbill718
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    19 Apr '16 07:474 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545363/Top-rabbi-sparks-outrage-saying-no-campus-rape-culture-no-thing-rape-marriage.html

    "Top US Rabbi Sparks Outrage After Saying There is No Campus Rape Culture
    and There is No Such Thing as Rape Within Marriage"
    --Amie Gordon (18 April 2016)

    Steven Pruzansky, an Orthodox rabbi, has offended many people, ...[text shortened]... racist anti-Arab comments.)
    His comments on rape have been denounced by Jewish women's groups.
    The problem is clear Duchess. MEN are the enemy! The solution is clear as well: Every man should be locked in a steel chastity device, and the key held ONLY by a properly designated whip wielding, leather-clad, Lesbian Dominatrix!! 😠😠😠

    The horrible, lying, troll bill718 is at it again! 😀
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    19 Apr '16 08:05
    Originally posted by bill718
    The problem is clear Duchess. MEN are the enemy! The solution is clear as well: Every man should be locked in a steel chastity device, and the key held ONLY by a properly designated whip wielding, leather-clad, Lesbian Dominatrix!! 😠😠😠

    The horrible, lying, troll bill718 is at it again! 😀
    "MEN are the enemy!"
    she didn't say that. she posted the disgusting opinion of a horrible man in a position of power/influence so that americans who are able to do something about it, do something about it

    "The horrible, lying, troll bill718 is at it again! "
    with this post, you were
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    19 Apr '16 08:26
    Originally posted by bill718
    The problem is clear Duchess. MEN are the enemy! The solution is clear as well: Every man should be locked in a steel chastity device, and the key held ONLY by a properly designated whip wielding, leather-clad, Lesbian Dominatrix!! 😠😠😠

    The horrible, lying, troll bill718 is at it again! 😀
    Women on this site know that if they contribute to the debates Forum they risk being subjected to abusive tirades from ignorant trolls. Since they sometimes do post here we must assume that they are up for a fight and can give the trolls as good as they get. Trolls don't like being made idiots of in public and respond with tasteless aggression, exposing their foul mindsets for all to see. Yet surprisingly, while most decent site members learn to avoid the poorly populated forum as an unpleasant waste of their time, there are a few who will fight back and claim the space by untiringly refuting the nonsensical rubbish presented here.

    Get used to it Bill718. The Duchess has an unflagging willingness to annoy the hell out of you and your abuse is not going to stop that. She is not afflicted with a cringing desire to be your friend. You will eventually need to grow up and lose the adolescent pimples if you are to learn how to relate in an adult manner to members of the opposite sex but you have a long way to go.
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    19 Apr '16 09:551 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545363/Top-rabbi-sparks-outrage-saying-no-campus-rape-culture-no-thing-rape-marriage.html

    "Top US Rabbi Sparks Outrage After Saying There is No Campus Rape Culture
    and There is No Such Thing as Rape Within Marriage"
    --Amie Gordon (18 April 2016)

    Steven Pruzansky, an Orthodox rabbi, has offended many people, ...[text shortened]... racist anti-Arab comments.)
    His comments on rape have been denounced by Jewish women's groups.
    Not only that, when asked if Jesus was his Messiah he said no.

    Idiot.

    Like most Jews, he probably does not even believe in God.

    Judaism: The only religion that does not believe in an actual God.
  6. Standard membervivify
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    19 Apr '16 11:381 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Women on this site know that if they contribute to the debates Forum they risk being subjected to abusive tirades from ignorant trolls.
    "Women"? As in more than one regular poster in the debate forum apart from Duchess? I've been here a few years, and other women RARELY post here. Maybe that's because of something that happened before I joined the site, but there hasn't been enough female posters for your statement to be true.

    Most of the women here post in the General forum, and even then, there's barely a handful of them.
  7. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    19 Apr '16 12:08
    Originally posted by vivify
    "Women"? As in more than one regular poster in the debate forum apart from Duchess? I've been here a few years, and other women RARELY post here. Maybe that's because of something that happened before I joined the site, but there hasn't been enough female posters for your statement to be true.

    Most of the women here post in the General forum, and even then, there's barely a handful of them.
    Has Duchess64 ever actually claimed to be female here? Someone (was it Fat Lady?) posted on these forums a long time ago that Duchess used to haunt, in that unmistakable style, another chess forum using the handle "Nick Bourbaki."
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    19 Apr '16 12:10
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545363/Top-rabbi-sparks-outrage-saying-no-campus-rape-culture-no-thing-rape-marriage.html

    "Top US Rabbi Sparks Outrage After Saying There is No Campus Rape Culture
    and There is No Such Thing as Rape Within Marriage"
    --Amie Gordon (18 April 2016)

    Steven Pruzansky, an Orthodox rabbi, has offended many people, ...[text shortened]... racist anti-Arab comments.)
    His comments on rape have been denounced by Jewish women's groups.
    If someone commits any crime (including rape), we need to have a trial with attorneys, opportunity to present witnesses, opportunities to vigorously cross examine and a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. If we meet that standard, then we have a conviction. If not, then we don't have a conviction. The term rape culture is completely meaningless and the fact the ethnicity of the speaker is completely irrelevant.
  9. Standard membervivify
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    19 Apr '16 14:311 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Has Duchess64 ever actually claimed to be female here? Someone (was it Fat Lady?) posted on these forums a long time ago that Duchess used to haunt, in that unmistakable style, another chess forum using the handle "Nick Bourbaki."
    The "unmistakable" style being their endless "lines of drivel"? I remember. The Duch has indeed claimed to be female.
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    19 Apr '16 14:35
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Has Duchess64 ever actually claimed to be female here? Someone (was it Fat Lady?) posted on these forums a long time ago that Duchess used to haunt, in that unmistakable style, another chess forum using the handle "Nick Bourbaki."
    so a creep in a position of power says there is not a rape problem on student campuses and rape is not possible within marriage and your concern is if duchess is really a woman?
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    19 Apr '16 14:39
    Originally posted by quackquack
    If someone commits any crime (including rape), we need to have a trial with attorneys, opportunity to present witnesses, opportunities to vigorously cross examine and a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. If we meet that standard, then we have a conviction. If not, then we don't have a conviction. and the fact the ethnicity of the speaker is completely irrelevant.
    "The term rape culture is completely meaningless"
    it's not meaningless, the term is used to draw attention that rape is a real and troubling reality on student campuses, that often times the people in charge try to cover up incidents. trial and conviction are separate.

    " and the fact the ethnicity of the speaker is completely irrelevant"
    it is irrelevant. it is mentioned to provide a background for the idiot who has this opinion as in a person in a position of influence, whose opinion carries weight.
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    19 Apr '16 14:58
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "The term rape culture is completely meaningless"
    it's not meaningless, the term is used to draw attention that rape is a real and troubling reality on student campuses, that often times the people in charge try to cover up incidents. trial and conviction are separate.

    " and the fact the ethnicity of the speaker is completely irrelevant"
    it is irrelev ...[text shortened]... ot who has this opinion as in a person in a position of influence, whose opinion carries weight.
    Rape culture is a term used to circumvent the rights of the accused. If you want to try someone for a crime, I'm all for it. But many universities want to circumvent the trial process, interfere with the right to legal representation, not used a beyond reasonable doubt standard and not permit vigorous cross examination. We should vigorously fight these solutions and allow terms like rape culture to circumvent the rights of the accused. You, not the rabbi, are the idiot when you refused to provide adequate protections from false accusations.
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    19 Apr '16 15:16
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Rape culture is a term used to circumvent the rights of the accused. If you want to try someone for a crime, I'm all for it. But many universities want to circumvent the trial process, interfere with the right to legal representation, not used a beyond reasonable doubt standard and not permit vigorous cross examination. We should vigorously fight thes ...[text shortened]... he rabbi, are the idiot when you refused to provide adequate protections from false accusations.
    "But many universities want to circumvent the trial process, interfere with the right to legal representation, not used a beyond reasonable doubt standard and not permit vigorous cross examination."
    yes. in favor of the accused, not the victim. universities cover up rape accusations. they pressure the victim to not go to the police.

    do you think that universities jail someone accused of rape without trial? do they burn him at the stake? what exactly do you think they can do? on the other hand, there are plenty of cases when the victim was pressured into dropping her accusations.


    "You, not the rabbi, are the idiot when you refused to provide adequate protections from false accusations."
    there is a real problem of rape on student campuses. you are retarded if you deny this and contradicted by piles and piles of cases. claiming that not only you don't have a problem with rape but there are many poor men (maybe some women) that are falsely accused of rape makes you disgusting. it is the same level of disgusting to white people claiming that not only there is no racism against blacks, but if anything, the whites are being oppressed.


    there are many surveys that state that as much as 20-25% of women (and 5% men) have admitted to suffer some form of sexual assault. there are plenty of cases of universities trying to cover up rape incidents. there are plenty of cases where women refused to even report an incident, out of shame and the very obvious realization that society judges a rape victim.

    but you worry we don't do enough to protect the few men who are wrongfully accused of rape.
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    19 Apr '16 15:40
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "But many universities want to circumvent the trial process, interfere with the right to legal representation, not used a beyond reasonable doubt standard and not permit vigorous cross examination."
    yes. in favor of the accused, not the victim. universities cover up rape accusations. they pressure the victim to not go to the police.

    do you think that u ...[text shortened]... .

    but you worry we don't do enough to protect the few men who are wrongfully accused of rape.
    Universities discipline (including expel students) with their own extra judicial process that gives the accused a less protections. It's completely wrong and a huge problem that should be addressed.
    I'm not going to waive someone's rights because someone (with an agenda) collected surveys. There's a huge difference between believing you are the victim or a crime and actually being the victim of a crime.
    If you believe you were raped, report it in a timely manner. Let's have a real investigation and a real defense. It's not acceptable to interfere with a potential victim's ability to make a claim and it's not acceptable to have an inadequate investigation of the facts. But it's also unacceptable to have bogus trials.
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    19 Apr '16 15:47
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Women on this site know that if they contribute to the debates Forum they risk being subjected to abusive tirades from ignorant trolls. Since they sometimes do post here we must assume that they are up for a fight and can give the trolls as good as they get. Trolls don't like being made idiots of in public and respond with tasteless aggression, exposing th ...[text shortened]... n how to relate in an adult manner to members of the opposite sex but you have a long way to go.
    Stunning! Women are subject to abusive tirades, but their abusive tirades are excused.

    Further, I have observed that just as many females are trolls as are males.

    A sign of a healthy forum, is a diversity of ideas, and robust debate. What point would there be of a debate forum if everyone posted agreements?

    I presume this post was and example of "nonsensical rubbish".
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