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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:22
    Wow. The President isn't pulling any punches out there tonight.

    The talking heads on cable were saying just before the speech that this wasn't going to be a campaign speech. Ha! After the cute opening about Iraq and Bin Laden, he's done nothing but attack, attack, attack since.

    If this isn't a campaign speech, I don't know what is.

    I have to give the President and his writers points for moxie.
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:23
    He almost looks angry out there tonight; or at least fiery.

    This is much more the Obama of 2008 and before than the wishy washy paralyzed moderate of the last few years.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:25
    The BMT (Basic Minimum Tax) for businesses (I guess sort of like the AMT is for individuals) is not a terrible idea.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:28
    Wow. Going after the Chinese for subsidizing manufacturing and pirating our intellectual property. Interesting.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:28
    Ha! The first bipartisan standing O comes after his dumbest piece of ethnocentric nonsense.
  6. 25 Jan '12 02:30
    Originally posted by sh76
    Wow. The President isn't pulling any punches out there tonight.

    The talking heads on cable were saying just before the speech that this wasn't going to be a campaign speech. Ha! After the cute opening about Iraq and Bin Laden, he's done nothing but attack, attack, attack since.

    If this isn't a campaign speech, I don't know what is.

    I have to give the President and his writers points for moxie.
    He is been campaigning for the past year ! Not leading but campaigning ! All on the tax payers dime btw. You act like this is something new for this blow hard and chief.
  7. 25 Jan '12 02:32
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    He is been campaigning for the past year ! Not leading but campaigning ! All on the tax payers dime btw. You act like this is something new for this blow hard and chief.
    Are the republicans any better? I don't think so.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:34
    His sop to teachers was meaningless nonsense and this business about increasing the age of schooling to 18 on the federal level is a terrible idea. Geez. Is this what we need from the federal government? To prevent 17 year olds from going to work without a HS diploma??

    Not impressed by this section of the speech.
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:37 / 1 edit
    Ha. McCain wants to clap at immigration reform but he can't or the boys will soak him in the locker room after the game.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:39 / 1 edit
    Drill, baby Drill!

    Even Obama is on board now.

    Unbelievable how far the global warming movement has fallen.

    Al Gore must be crying in his beer in his toasty 78 degree mansion.



    Edit: There it is. He just officially threw in the towel on cap and trade.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jan '12 02:46
    Originally posted by sh76
    Drill, baby Drill!

    Even Obama is on board now.

    Unbelievable how far the global warming movement has fallen.

    Al Gore must be crying in his beer in his toasty 78 degree mansion.



    Edit: There it is. He just officially threw in the towel on cap and trade.
    Well last year was only the 11th warmest on record ..................:

    This marks the 35th straight year that global temperatures were warmer than normal. NOAA's records for world average temperatures date back to 1880.

    "It would be premature to make any conclusion that we would see any hiatus of the longer-term warming trend," said Tom Karl, director of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center. "Global temperatures are continuing to increase."

    http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2012/01/19/world_not_quite_as_hot_in_2011_ranks_11th_warmest/


    Has he backed the teaching of Creationism and/or Intelligent Design in the public schools yet?
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:48 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Well last year was only the 11th warmest on record ..................:

    This marks the 35th straight year that global temperatures were warmer than normal. NOAA's records for world average temperatures date back to 1880.

    "It would be premature to make any conclusion that we would see any hiatus of the longer-term warming trend," said he backed the teaching of Creationism and/or Intelligent Design in the public schools yet?
    Nobody seriously doubts that the world has warmed in the last few decades.

    The questions are:

    1) Is it man made?

    2) Can anything be done about it that won't hurt the economy drastically?

    3) Is it worth doing anything about?
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jan '12 02:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Nobody seriously doubts that the world has warmed in the last few decades.

    The questions are:

    1) Is it man made?

    2) Can anything be done about it that won't hurt the economy drastically?

    3) Is it worth doing anything about?
    The answer to the first has been given by overwhelming scientific consensus.

    The answers to the last two have been given by popular ignorance, corporate money and self-serving politicians.

    EDIT: Actually about 36% of the US population doesn't believe that there has been any global warming. Furthermore:

    Most Americans seem unaware of the broad consensus among scientists that global warming is under way. Only 39 percent of the respondents agreed that “most scientists think global warming is happening,” and 40 percent agreed with the statement, “There is a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether or not global warming is happening.”

    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/americans-still-split-on-global-warming-poll-shows/
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:51
    - Ouch. The crying over spilt milk joke came out flat as a pancake.

    - Now we're in the platitudes that no one can really disagree with part of the speech.
  15. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Jan '12 02:52
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The answer to the first has been given by overwhelming scientific consensus.

    The answers to the last two have been given by popular ignorance, corporate money and self-serving politicians.
    Assuming you're watching, would you now pretty much concede that this President is not going to do anything to combat climate change?