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    08 Dec '17 20:42
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

    Scandals: Among the many troubling revelations to have emerged regarding the FBI these days, one of the worst is finding out that an avowed Trump-hater softened language in a memo to exonerate Hillary Clinton.

    Let's rewind the tape a bit. Until August 31, 2016, with the presidential election in full swing, former FBI director James Comey gave the impression that he hadn't arrived at his decision to let Clinton off the hook until after he had all the facts.

    But in late August we learned that, in fact, Comey and his team began drafting his get-out-of-jail-free statement for Clinton in April — right around the time President Obama publicly declared Clinton innocent of any crimes, and well before the FBI had interviewed dozens of key witnesses, including Clinton herself.

    Then, in early November, we learned that an early draft of that memo had accused Clinton of being "grossly negligent" in handling classified material because she used an unsecured private email server while Secretary of State.

    At some point during the editing process of that memo, "grossly negligent" became "extremely careless," which is how Comey put it in the final version.

    The change was monumental. The criminal statute regarding mishandling classified material specifically cites "gross negligence" as a violation of the law, even if there is no intent involved. Had that language remained, Comey's claim that "no reasonable prosecutor" would take the Clinton email case would have been laughable.

    So changing the language was obviously meant to clear the path for letting Clinton off the hook, whatever the facts might be.

    This week, the other shoe in the memo story dropped, when it was reported that Peter Strzok had made that particular edit.

    Strzok, for those who don't know, had been kicked off the Trump/Russia investigation this summer — a fact we also only learned about in the past few days — after it turned out that he'd been sending anti-Trump, pro-Hillary texts to an FBI colleague.

    So the key person who made a material change in a memo exonerating Clinton was a big Clinton supporter and a Trump hater.

    On top of this, we only recently learned that officials at the FBI were in a frenzy after learning of Bill Clinton's off-the-books tarmac meeting with then Attorney General Loretta Lynch on June 27, 2016.

    But the FBI wasn't interested in finding out what was said at that highly suspicious and inappropriate confab. Nope. They wanted to know who leaked the information.

    "These new FBI documents show the FBI was more concerned about a whistleblower who told the truth about the infamous Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting than the scandalous meeting itself," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, which uncovered the memos, adding that they "show the FBI worked to make sure no more details of the meeting would be revealed to the American people."

    Now, contrast all this with the way the FBI has been pursuing — since July 2016 — claims made in the Clinton-campaign-DNC-financed "dossier" supposedly showing that Trump colluded with Russian meddling in the presidential election.

    Before and after the election, the FBI has been ferociously investigating this, determined to find any shred of evidence that might support the dossier, and yet has come up empty. Now, under Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the entire focus seems to have shifted from providing any evidence of collusion to catching anyone in Trump's circle who committed unrelated crimes.

    We're not conspiracy mongers here. But it's hard to see this as anything other than an effort by the Deep State first to protect Hillary's election chances at all costs, and then, when that failed, to ruin Trump's presidency — at all costs.

    And people wonder why nobody trusts the government any more.
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    08 Dec '17 21:151 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

    Scandals: Among the many troubling revelations to have emerged regarding the FBI these days, one of the worst is finding out that an avowed Trump-hater softened language in a memo to exonerate Hillary Clinton.

    Let's rewind the tape a bit. Until August 31, 2016, with t ...[text shortened]... ump's presidency — at all costs.

    And people wonder why nobody trusts the government any more.
    Soft and weak language in this article supports the idea that this person gets their news from Fox News, just like you do.

    It took until the fourth paragraph to even learn what this article-writer thought Hillary was being "exonerated" for, what "hook" it was he thought she was being let off of and what he thought she was being wrongly declard "innocent" of. The writer acts as if it is common knowledge that she is "guilty", and not the wet dream of his and everyone at Fox News.

    And from there, the article just continues the lies.

    No one trusts government anymore because of the liar-in-chief Donald Trump and the person most likely to bring down Trump's presidency is Trump himself.
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    08 Dec '17 21:341 edit
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Soft and weak language in this article supports the idea that this person gets their news from Fox News, just like you do.

    It took until the fourth paragraph to even learn what this article-writer thought Hillary was being "exonerated" for, what "hook" it was he thought she was being let off of and what he thought she was being wrongly declard "innocent ...[text shortened]... chief Donald Trump and the person most likely to bring down Trump's presidency is Trump himself.
    So if you or I did this then you are certain we would not go to jail Suzy?

    Incidentally, why did the FBI not interrogate her about her lies like they do Flynn and company?

    What amuses me is that Dims blame her e-mails for being hacked, and don't even bother trying to refute them as real. So essentially they are only upset that the truth was given to the American public. Sad.
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    08 Dec '17 22:013 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    But in late August we learned that, in fact, Comey and his team began drafting his get-out-of-jail-free statement for Clinton in April — right around the time President Obama publicly declared Clinton innocent of any crimes, and well before the FBI had interviewed dozens of key witnesses, including Clinton herself.
    So Comey sought to exonerate Clinton, only to implicate her in a letter to Congress a week before the election?
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    09 Dec '17 02:53
    Originally posted by @vivify
    So Comey sought to exonerate Clinton, only to implicate her in a letter to Congress a week before the election?
    Comey had the sole power to do with Hilary as he wanted.

    He also needed to try and appear impartial.
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    09 Dec '17 03:04
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Comey had the sole power to do with Hilary as he wanted.

    He also needed to try and appear impartial.
    So wrecking her reputation a week before the election was just an act?
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    09 Dec '17 03:371 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

    Scandals: Among the many troubling revelations to have emerged regarding the FBI these days, one of the worst is finding out that an avowed Trump-hater softened language in a memo to exonerate Hillary Clinton.

    Let's rewind the tape a bit. Until August 31, 2016, with t ...[text shortened]... ump's presidency — at all costs.

    And people wonder why nobody trusts the government any more.
    Would you say, in your opinion, that republican politicians are more morally sound than democrat politicians?
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    09 Dec '17 04:16
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So if you or I did this then you are certain we would not go to jail Suzy?

    Incidentally, why did the FBI not interrogate her about her lies like they do Flynn and company?

    What amuses me is that Dims blame her e-mails for being hacked, and don't even bother trying to refute them as real. So essentially they are only upset that the truth was given to the American public. Sad.
    No, but Wikileaks can be blamed for filtering her email through the Russians.

    Now, conveniently, we can't know what is real and what the Russians want us to believe about them. If you think that any of the emails are real, then you just might be listening to Fox News.
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    09 Dec '17 04:18
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Would you say, in your opinion, that republican politicians are more morally sound than democrat politicians?
    Okay, I LOL'ed at this.

    Sorry, I just couldn't help it.
  10. SubscriberSuzianne
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    09 Dec '17 04:22
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Incidentally, why did the FBI not interrogate her about her lies like they do Flynn and company?
    In order to be interrogated about your lies, you have to, you know, actually lie.
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    09 Dec '17 04:22
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Okay, I LOL'ed at this.

    Sorry, I just couldn't help it.
    I’m expecting either avoidance or a blurt of typical whodey flim-flam.
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    09 Dec '17 13:471 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    So wrecking her reputation a week before the election was just an act?
    It is odd that he wrote Hillary's exoneration letter before the investigation and then preceded to "exonerate" her right before the election in a disparaging manner.

    Perhaps Comey felt he had a gun to his head to exonerate her but could still do so and humiliate her at the same time.

    I've read other sources that Comey came out with the "exoneration" right before the election because of Bill Clinton's clandestine and unethical meeting with the head of the DOJ before the investigation had been concluded. It just looked really bad, which it was.
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    09 Dec '17 13:51
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    No, but Wikileaks can be blamed for filtering her email through the Russians.

    Now, conveniently, we can't know what is real and what the Russians want us to believe about them. If you think that any of the emails are real, then you just might be listening to Fox News.
    Here is an idea Suzy, obey the rules while in office not to use your personal e-mails that includes secret government information.

    Why did she do it Suzy? I'll give you two hints, it's because she did not want to use her government e-mails cuz it is all monitored and recorded. Why did she not want it monitored or recorded Suzy?

    At least with the Flynn investigation we have hundreds of thousands of e-mails to sort that was not deleted with bleach bit.

    So go ahead, point the finger of the world governments that infiltrated her Norton fire wall in two seconds, which all governments around the world do. She is just that stupid.
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    09 Dec '17 14:19
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

    Scandals: Among the many troubling revelations to have emerged regarding the FBI these days, one of the worst is finding out that an avowed Trump-hater softened language in a memo to exonerate Hillary Clinton.

    Let's rewind the tape a bit. Until August 31, 2016, with t ...[text shortened]... ump's presidency — at all costs.

    And people wonder why nobody trusts the government any more.
    The article is nonsense. No, the statute doesn't "specifically cites "gross negligence" as a violation of the law, even if there is no intent involved." It reads, in pertinent part,:

    (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer

    Even assuming there was "gross negligence" (and that must be as that term is used in the criminal, not civil, law) there has never been any showing or evidence that anything "relating to the national defense" was "removed from its proper place of custody" or "delivered to anyone in violation of his trust" nor " lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed" by or because of HRC.

    We covered this area exhaustively in the summer of 2016 and I told you what virtually every single legal analyst not working for Fox News or various right wing think tanks or lobbying groups thought: that there were no grounds for criminal charges under the Espionage (not the Careless or Negligent) Act.
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    09 Dec '17 14:22
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

    Scandals: Among the many troubling revelations to have emerged regarding the FBI these days, one of the worst is finding out that an avowed Trump-hater softened language in a memo to exonerate Hillary Clinton.

    Let's rewind the tape a bit. Until August 31, 2016, with t ...[text shortened]... ump's presidency — at all costs.

    And people wonder why nobody trusts the government any more.
    "We're not conspiracy mongers here. But it's hard to see this as anything other than an effort by the Deep State"


    LMAO!
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