Please turn on javascript in your browser to play chess.
Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. 05 Mar '13 23:18 / 1 edit
    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has died.
    Your response?

    Here's one view, by Oscar Guardiola-Rivera (5 March 2013):
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/05/hugo-chavez-people-venezuelan-president
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    05 Mar '13 23:30
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has died.
    Your response?

    Here's one view, by Oscar Guardiola-Rivera (5 March 2013):
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/05/hugo-chavez-people-venezuelan-president
    From the MSN story:

    A 2009 report by the progressive think tank Center for Economic and Policy Research found poverty was cut in half during the first decade of Chavez’s rule; child mortality fell by a third; malnutrition deaths were down by 50%; and college enrollment almost doubled.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17135772-venezuelas-comandante-hugo-chavez-dies?lite
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    06 Mar '13 01:15
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has died.
    Your response?

    Here's one view, by Oscar Guardiola-Rivera (5 March 2013):
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/05/hugo-chavez-people-venezuelan-president
    The danger is that the neo-liberal, "free" trade paradigm will now have an unhindered march toward globalized domination.
  4. 06 Mar '13 03:28 / 1 edit
    Thats sad, he's one dictator I wouldn't totaly hate to live under, not the worst.... I think you have to be a bit millitant to be as lefty as he was.... He was very funny on fox news...
  5. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 03:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by e4chris
    Thats sad, he's one dictator I wouldn't totaly hate to live under, not the worst.... I think you have to be a bit millitant to be as lefty as he was.... He was very funny on fox news...
    What's the definition of "dictator" you're using that makes you feel justified in referring to Hugo Chavez as one?
  6. 06 Mar '13 03:52
    I thought he was a general who won power in a coup to start with? not sure, maybe its not the fairest word for him...
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 04:10
    Originally posted by e4chris
    I thought he was a general who won power in a coup to start with? not sure, maybe its not the fairest word for him...
    Ah, right. I can see now how it doesn't really matter whether you refer to him as a "dictator" or not.
  8. 06 Mar '13 04:16 / 1 edit
    ok i was wrong... but he did plan a coup that failed then got elected... so not quite a dictator no.... what do you know ? whats your opinion?
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 04:32
    Originally posted by e4chris
    ok i was wrong... but he did plan a coup that failed then got elected... so not quite a dictator no.... what do you know ? whats your opinion?
    "Not quite a dictator"?

    What is your definition of "dictator" then?
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 04:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by e4chris
    whats your opinion?
    He was a man of enormous gusto and energy who personally animated his administrations, whilst remaining extremely popular with a significant portion of his electorate. It will be interesting to see how what he created, and what are thought by many to have been his achievements, hold up without him.
  11. 06 Mar '13 04:39
    He was known for his socialist programs to help the poor, but also known for high inflation and mismanaging of the economy with high crime rates to boot.

    Kinda sounds like Obama.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 05:07
    Originally posted by whodey
    He was known for his socialist programs to help the poor, but also known for high inflation and mismanaging of the economy with high crime rates to boot.

    Kinda sounds like Obama.
    It could be interesting to speculate how - or, indeed, whether or not - the U.S. would have been able to tackle the same kinds of challenges in terms of poverty, literacy, child mortality, malnutrition, education, sanitation etc. that Venezuela faced in 1999, and on the scale Venezuela faced them, had they afflicted the U.S.
  13. Standard member caissad4online
    Child of the Novelty
    06 Mar '13 05:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    He was known for his socialist programs to help the poor, but also known for high inflation and mismanaging of the economy with high crime rates to boot.

    Kinda sounds like Obama.
    It may suprise many Americans that for several years he gave aid to the US in the form of discounted heating oil for the poor. I believe the US ended the program, but I might be wrong about who ended the program.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    06 Mar '13 06:18 / 2 edits
    Statement From Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on the Death of Hugo Chavez

    "Rosalynn and I extend our condolences to the family of Hugo Chávez Frías. We met Hugo Chávez when he was campaigning for president in 1998 and The Carter Center was invited to observe elections for the first time in Venezuela. We returned often, for the 2000 elections, and then to facilitate dialogue during the political conflict of 2002-2004. We came to know a man who expressed a vision to bring profound changes to his country to benefit especially those people who had felt neglected and marginalized. Although we have not agreed with all of the methods followed by his government, we have never doubted Hugo Chávez's commitment to improving the lives of millions of his fellow countrymen.

    President Chávez will be remembered for his bold assertion of autonomy and independence for Latin American governments and for his formidable communication skills and personal connection with supporters in his country and abroad to whom he gave hope and empowerment. During his 14-year tenure, Chávez joined other leaders in Latin America and the Caribbean to create new forms of integration. Venezuelan poverty rates were cut in half, and millions received identification documents for the first time allowing them to participate more effectively in their country's economic and political life.

    At the same time, we recognize the divisions created in the drive towards change in Venezuela and the need for national healing. We hope that as Venezuelans mourn the passing of President Chávez and recall his positive legacies — especially the gains made for the poor and vulnerable — the political leaders will move the country forward by building a new consensus that ensures equal opportunities for all Venezuelans to participate in every aspect of national life."

    http://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/hugo-chavez-030513.html

    Also, for those interested: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2993876/posts
    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2993889/posts
  15. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    06 Mar '13 09:13
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has died.
    Your response?
    "Chávez vive, la lucha sigue" – "Chávez lives, the battle continues."