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  1. Standard member st dominics preview
    troll taunter
    29 Nov '17 23:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    [youtube Eyes of IRA]htNSUBjXV6g[/youtube]
    Hello.

    Watched most of the video, seems to be an IRA threat to Thatcher warning her the *eyes of the IRA* are upon her

    Let's hope the eyes are more accurate than the late 80s bombs

    Maybe not, as Maggie died 29 years after the Brighton fiasco , of natural causes.

    PS. Big Train fan, at least until they went all 'poppy'. Saw them several times in manchester with *meet Virginia* part of the set. If that is not why you use 'meet Virginia', please ignore!

    To Duchess64 .... Thank you for a reasoned reply to my post.
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    30 Nov '17 03:31
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    I would submit that most, if not all, members of the PIRA were residents of Northern Ireland and
    citizens (even if against their will) of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Bobby Sands was elected as a MP to the House of Commons, though he never took his seat there.
    He died of a hunger strike in prison. How can an elected MP be considered a 'foreigner'?
    PIRA members would not recognize the artificial division of Ireland and to them in what area of Ireland they were born in would be irrelevant.

    As for being "citizens" of the UK, they would react in a similar manner to Victor Laszlo:

    Major Strasser: You are now a citizen of the German Reich.

    Laszlo: I have never accepted that "privilege".
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    9th Grade...
    30 Nov '17 05:17
    Originally posted by @st-dominics-preview
    Hello.

    Watched most of the video, seems to be an IRA threat to Thatcher warning her the *eyes of the IRA* are upon her

    Let's hope the eyes are more accurate than the late 80s bombs

    Maybe not, as Maggie died 29 years after the Brighton fiasco , of natural causes.

    PS. Big Train fan, at least until they went all 'poppy'. Saw them seve ...[text shortened]... 'meet Virginia', please ignore!

    To Duchess64 .... Thank you for a reasoned reply to my post.
    Yeah it's an old song from when she was still PM.
  4. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    30 Nov '17 07:52
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "So, unless it’s a discussion about roots, then nobody’s going to mix the IRA up with the
    original IRA from the 1919-22 campaign."
    --Shavixmir

    If I had referred simply to the 'IRA', there are some trolls here (who routinely blatantly lie about what I write)
    who are dishonest enough to take it out of context and attack me for allegedly making false ...[text shortened]... w that I cannot stop the dishonest attacks from my trolls, but I prefer not to make them easier.
    Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
  5. 30 Nov '17 23:14
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    PIRA members would not recognize the artificial division of Ireland and to them in what area of Ireland they were born in would be irrelevant.

    As for being "citizens" of the UK, they would react in a similar manner to Victor Laszlo:

    Major Strasser: You are now a citizen of the German Reich.
    Laszlo: I have never accepted that "privilege".
    Regardless of how PIRA members born in Northern Ireland feel about it, UK law still
    recognises them as UK citizens, according them the same rights as other UK citizens.
    I suspect that some jobless PIRA members were not so proud that they would have
    refused to go on the dole and, as UK citizens, claim benefits from the UK government
  6. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    30 Nov '17 23:27
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    PIRA members would not recognize the artificial division of Ireland and to them in what area of Ireland they were born in would be irrelevant.

    As for being "citizens" of the UK, they would react in a similar manner to Victor Laszlo:

    Major Strasser: You are now a citizen of the German Reich.

    Laszlo: I have never accepted that "privilege".
    +1 for the Casablanca quote.
  7. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    01 Dec '17 06:05
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
    Illegitimum non carborundum!!
  8. 13 Dec '17 16:35 / 1 edit
    New conspiracy theory?

    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/letter-jfk-wrote-to-his-lover-a-month-before-he-died-up-for-auction?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_2263460


    The letter, which was never sent, was meant for Pinchot Meyer, a family friend thought to be romantically linked to the former President. Meyer was an accomplished artist whose work was considered increasingly valuable at the time of her death. She met Kennedy through Robert Kennedy when he sold his house to close friends of hers.

    Famed Washington Post Editor Benjamin Bradlee, her brother-in-law, subsequently wrote that she was indeed involved romantically with Kennedy and often met with him when Jackie was out of town.


    Meyer was murdered in 1964 taking her daily walk by a Georgetown area canal. A suspect, Ray Crump, an African American who was arrested at the scene, was subsequently acquitted.

    The existence of Meyer's diary became known to Bradlee, who was married to Mary Pinchot Meyer's sister Toni. He went to Meyer's home to break in and grab the diary after she died and found CIA Director of counter-intelligence James Angleton, who also knew Meyer, already there sawing off the lock. Meyer's husband had also been a CIA operative.


    Bradlee took possession of the diary, which has never been made public. It is alleged the diary was eventually given to the CIA who burned it.

    The Kennedy affair with Meyer is described as "very dangerous" by journalist and Kennedy close friend Charles Bartlett who stated: "This was a dangerous relationship, Jack was in love with Mary Meyer. He was heavily smitten. He was very frank with me about it."
    The unsent letter from Kennedy thus has real historical import. The top of the White House stationary is cut off, but a faded watermark is visible, The New York Times reports.

    Although the letter is undated, it is believed to be from October 1963, a month before Kennedy was assassinated.

    The letter reads:

    "Why don’t you leave suburbia for once — come and see me — either here — or at the Cape next week or in Boston the 19th. I know it is unwise, irrational, and that you may hate it — on the other hand, you may not — and I will love it. You say that it is good for me not to get what I want. After all of these years — you should give me a more loving answer than that. Why don’t you just say yes.

    According to R.R. Auction, which is based in Boston, the letter is estimated to sell for at least $30,000. The auction will open on June 16 and end on June 23.

    R.R. Auction executive vice-president Robert Livingston said it although Kennedy was in Boston on Oct. 19, it is unknown if he actually met with Meyer.

    “It’s something you wouldn’t expect to see from a president,” he said. “And the fact that he didn’t send it, obviously he came to his senses.”

    He said that the president’s secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, who served as an unofficial archivist, saving Kennedy’s documents, identified Meyer as the intended recipient.

    On Oct. 13, 1964, Meyer was shot and killed in Georgetown. Raymond Crump Jr. was charged with her murder but was found not guilty. Her murder has never been solved.

    The letter is being sold by the estate of Bob White, who bought many of Kennedy’s belongings from Evelyn Lincoln and was bequeathed more after her death in 1995.

    Did JFK's womanizing ultimately lead to his demise?

    After all, he was messing around with a CIA operatives wife who was also assassinated.