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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Feb '10 00:18 / 1 edit
    Geez!

    What a cesspool!!!!!

    What shameless decadence! What irresponsible flouting of sex! What a sad display of legalized thievery!

    I've been slowly but surely shifting from social conservative to social libertarian since I was a kid. But one day in that dump set me back 5 years on that front.

    Walking down the strip:

    1) You can't go 20 feet without some guy stuffing a flier in your hand hawking prostitution or strippers.

    2) Enormous billboards and pictures of basically naked women (and some men too) are all over the place.

    3) Enormous ads hawk $150 shows, many of which are little more than uppity burlesque shows.

    Look. I know sex is nothing to be ashamed of. But, it's supposed to be done behind closed doors! I mean, c'mon fellas, really.

    Everywhere you go, sad people stupidly "gambling" away money they can't afford to lose amble about like zombies. Of all the people I saw mindlessly feeding their hard earned money into those stupid slot machines, not one of them was smiling or looked as though were having a good time. (In case you're wondering, I couldn't bring myself to "gamble" away one single solitary dime.)

    Every damn grocery store and gas station has those one-armed bandits. Geez! Are people capable of walking 1/3 of a block without throwing money away. What's draw of a slot machine? There's no skill or fun (all you do is push a button; you don't even get to pull a lever any more) and you KNOW the odds are against you. I don't get it.

    In the hotels, you have these up scale cutsie looking shops hawking products that no one really wants or needs and insanely high prices.

    On Sahara Blvd, there's a building for the Big Dog restaurant or something like that. On the side is an enormous sign:

    Eat. Drink. Play. Smoke. Everything you want to do. Do it here.

    Is that what we've come to as a society? "Eat. Drink. Play. Smoke."?? Is there any moderation or self-denial any more?

    Next time, I expect to see the same sign modified:

    Eat. Drink. F---. Play. Smoke. Jack off. Everything you want to do. Do it here.

    Is this what we have to look forward to when we finish becoming Amsterdamized?

    I'd have to take 4 showers a day just to get the amorphous and metaphysical stink out. I felt like I was doing something illegal just by breathing the Vegas air.

    I know. I know. No one forced me to go there. But what do I do when every city is like that?

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not changing my position on serious issues like medical marijuana legalization and abortion.

    But, oh, great government. Go ahead. Make as many anti-smut laws as you like. I won't complain. I promise. Oh, and give me free healthcare and stuff while you're at it. But don't dare raise my taxes by one dime!





    On a positive note, Zion National Park was unbelievable and the Hoover Dam is by far the most impressive man made anything I've ever seen.
  2. 26 Feb '10 00:38
    Vegas is cool stop acting self righteous like you don't like it. Next thing you'll be saying you don't watch TV.
  3. 26 Feb '10 00:43
    My wife and I stay downtown Vegas each year. Much better than the strip. Liquor is cheaper, people are more real, food is still good, casinos are close together, friendly tittie bar....yeah, downtown is where it's at.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Feb '10 00:45
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Vegas is cool stop acting self righteous like you don't like it. Next thing you'll be saying you don't watch TV.
    What's TV?
  5. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    26 Feb '10 01:38
    Shrug. It's Vegas. I don't think it's a reflection of society in general.

    If I ever decide to "go to Vegas" (I've been there but never to party), then any gambling I do will be strictly budgeted. The losses (as they are likely to be) are just part of the price for all the other free stuff. And like you, I would avoid the slots. Boring and stupid.

    All said, Vegas is not high on my list of travel locations. Hope you found some fun while you were there.
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    26 Feb '10 01:46
    Does Las Vegas have museums and statues and nature trails?
  7. 26 Feb '10 01:58
    It's the great escape from all seriousness, me bucko. Although I'll still bring a history book along for the pool.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Feb '10 02:10
    Originally posted by FMF
    Does Las Vegas have museums and statues and nature trails?
    There's an Atomic Testing Museum right off the strip that I would have been interested in seeing, but didn't really have the time. There are also the usual assortment of nonsense like Madame Tussauds.

    Nature trails? Sure. Not in the city itself; but close by. Red Rock Canyon is 15 minutes to the west of the city. Lake Mead rec area and Valley of Fire are a short drive and natural wonders of enormous proportions like the Grand Canyon, Zion National Park and Death Valley are all medium length drives.

    I've been there twice. The city itself doesn't interest me, but I've been to the Grand Canyon, Zion, Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, the Black River Canyon, Valley of Fire and Red Rock Canyon; all in 2 three day visits.

    The destination is great for nature lovers. Flights to Vegas are cheap; hotels are cheap; rental cars are cheap and the access to the natural wonders is great. It's just the city itself that's so nauseating.
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    26 Feb '10 02:26
    Originally posted by sh76
    The destination is great for nature lovers. Flights to Vegas are cheap; hotels are cheap; rental cars are cheap and the access to the natural wonders is great. It's just the city itself that's so nauseating.
    The U.S.A. in microcosm, is what you're saying?
  10. 26 Feb '10 02:34 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Geez!

    What a cesspool!!!!!

    What shameless decadence! What irresponsible flouting of sex! What a sad display of legalized thievery!

    I've been slowly but surely shifting from social conservative to social libertarian since I was a kid. But one day in that dump set me back 5 years on that front.

    Walking down the strip:

    1) You can't go 20 feet witho er Dam is by far the most impressive man made anything I've ever seen.
    But sh76, I thought what happened in Vegas stays there? You have broken their golden rule. They will be looking for you now.

    And yes, that is exactly what the US has to look forward to once Amsterdamned.

    Now how about voting for that local casino to help bring money and jobs into your state!! While your at it, why not vote for a few state run brothels as well? After all, Big Brother needs that revenue to pay for their spending habits.
  11. 26 Feb '10 02:53
    Originally posted by FMF
    Does Las Vegas have museums and statues and nature trails?
    Yeah, the History of the Whore Museum....wax figures of famous madames....statues of voluptuous whores all over the place......and nature trails?........there's a maze that is sculptured out of shrubs, and when you get to the end....a whore awaits you.....
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    26 Feb '10 02:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    And yes, that is exactly what the US has to look forward to once Amsterdamned.
    Seeing as Amsterdam is presumably nothing much like Las Vegas, why is it you think that Americans would react so differently to being Amsterdamned (socially liberated, no Big Whodey pontificating about others' personal freedoms) than Amsterdam people did?
  13. 26 Feb '10 03:24
    Originally posted by FMF
    The U.S.A. in microcosm, is what you're saying?
    I just flushed a microcosm of Indonesia down the toilet......man, I feel 2 stones lighter....
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    26 Feb '10 03:32
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    I just flushed a microcosm of Indonesia down the toilet......man, I feel 2 stones lighter....
    Indonesia is nothing at all like Las Vegas, as far as I know.
  15. 26 Feb '10 03:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Seeing as Amsterdam is presumably nothing much like Las Vegas, why is it you think that Americans would react so differently to being Amsterdamned (socially liberated, no Big Whodey pontificating about others' personal freedoms) than Amsterdam people did?
    I have been to Amsterdam and I have to say it is a bit different than here in the states. Case in point, as I walked into a store I could see some travel cards on display with some rather graphic sexual displays. In fact, a couple of them may have been a bit too graphic for a few pornographic magazines. I then went to find a tooth brush and in the bin next to them were dildos.....and no, It was not an adult bookstore. Of course, the Red Light district is not the entire city, but it certainly has had a profound effect upon the rest of the city.