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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/5/new-hampshire-defunds-planned-parenthood-facilitie/

    Chris Sununu is a pro-choice Republican, but when he voted Wednesday to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in New Hampshire, he viewed it as a vote in favor of women’s health, not against.

    Before the New Hampshire Executive Council’s 3-2 vote denying the contract, he said he received separate calls from five young women — both pro-choice and pro-life — who told him they refused to set foot in Planned Parenthood clinics, even though they needed services and those were their closest options.


    “All of them were unemployed and had actually gotten rides to other parts of the state so they could go to another provider that wasn’t Planned Parenthood and that didn’t have this umbrella of scrutiny hanging over them,” said Mr. Sununu. “And that sort of hit home.”
    The New Hampshire vote, coming over the objections of Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan, comes as the latest example of the backlash against Planned Parenthood following the release of five undercover videos raising alarm over the organization’s involvement in the trade of fetal organs from abortions.

    “I’ve supported Planned Parenthood in the past to provide these services, but there are some women who just don’t want to support them because they’re too controversial,” Mr. Sununu said.

    In New Hampshire, there’s also a political angle. Mr. Sununu, the son of former New Hampshire Gov. John H. Sununu, is said to be considering a run against Ms. Hassan in 2016, a race in which Planned Parenthood is already emerging as a campaign issue.

    The Republican-controlled New Hampshire Executive Council denied state funding by turning down a $639,000 contract with Planned Parenthood of Northern New England.

    The affiliate still receives funding from the federal government and other states in its purview.

    The vote follows Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal’s decision last week to cut off state funds for Planned Parenthood in his state. Both decisions came after the release of the first video July 13 by the pro-life Center for Medical Progress.

    At least 10 other states have reacted by launching investigations, but New Hampshire is not one of them. The executive council’s decision to deny state funding to Planned Parenthood came after Ms. Hassan refused calls to look into the group’s practices regarding fetal tissue.

    The governor has said there is no evidence of illegality at the state clinics, which reportedly do not handle fetal tissue donations, adding, “We do not launch investigations in the state of New Hampshire on rumor.”

    The Democratic governor also rejected a request from Republicans, including Mr. Sununu, to look into using other health care providers for nonabortion services offered by the Planned Parenthood clinics.

    “The second request we made was, ‘Look, will you help us find alternatives to Planned Parenthood?’ In other sections of the state, other folks provide these services. In my district — I represent about a quarter-million people — Planned Parenthood is the only option,” Mr. Sununu said. “And I don’t think that’s right. I believe in having choice, in giving women choices for where they want to go.
    “So that’s what I asked the governor to do: Let’s look for alternatives together as a team here,” he said. “She outright rejected that today.”

    Ms. Hassan blasted the executive council’s vote in a Wednesday statement, saying, “I am incredibly disappointed in the outcome of today’s vote.”

    “The council’s vote to defund Planned Parenthood will hurt the health and economic well-being of thousands of Granite Staters,” Ms. Hassan said. “Moving forward, I will continue to fight to ensure that women and families have access to the important health services that are essential to the economic security and vitality of our families.”

    Councilor Chris Pappas, a Democrat, also criticized the Republican majority’s rejection of the Planned Parenthood contract.

    “Voting against this contract is not going to stop one single abortion in New Hampshire, but it is going to stop thousands of people from accessing quality, affordable health care,” Mr. Pappas said, according to The Associated Press.

    The council did vote to fund contracts for three other health care providers that do not perform abortions: Concord Feminist Health Center, the Joan G. Lovering Health Center on the Seacoast and Weeks Medical Center in the North Country.
    Mr. Sununu argued that part of the executive council’s charge is to act as a check on government contracts.

    “When you have a group like this here at the national level under all this investigation and scrutiny — look, if it were any other contractor, there wouldn’t even be a debate. Of course we wouldn’t be doing business with them,” Mr. Sununu said.

    “But for some reason the Democrats seem to be going out of their way to find an excuse to keep Planned Parenthood around, and on the line and on contract,” he said. “There are lots of other providers of these services out there. All I’m saying is, let’s go contract with them and use these other health care providers to make sure we are giving adequate choice to these women.”

    New Hampshire Democratic Party spokeswoman Lizzy Price charged that Mr. Sununu’s vote “proved that he is more concerned with his own political interests and trying to win a primary for higher office than he is with the health and economic well-being of New Hampshire women and families.”

    Not so, said Mr. Sununu. “There’s too much ethical and legal scrutiny surrounding this organization right now for the state to just keep doing business with them,” he said.
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    06 Aug '15 18:071 edit
    Gosnell times a zillion. I predict our lefty friends are not going to want to talk about it.
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    06 Aug '15 18:32
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Gosnell times a zillion. I predict our lefty friends are not going to want to talk about it.
    Really, it's more Gosnell solidified into (unspoken) policy.
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    Originally posted by sh76
    Really, it's more Gosnell solidified into (unspoken) policy.
    Yes, that's true. I liked Kirsten Powers' take on it:

    The Democratic Party shilling for barbarism — whether by politicians, liberal media outlets, union officials or unrestricted abortion advocates — is not likely to be viewed favorably by future generations. These Democrats will be remembered for demonizing the activists who lifted the veil on a previously sanitized process and for seeking restraining orders to silence truth tellers. They will be remembered for publishing dehumanizing decrees — as The New Republic did — that people stop criticizing Planned Parenthood because as a medical matter, “The term baby … doesn’t apply until birth” (that thing on your sonogram is nothing more than a “product [] of conception.” ) And they will be remembered for demanding investigations into citizen journalists for meticulously exposing atrocities in our midst.

    I don’t use the word atrocity lightly.

    Watching the videos exposing Planned Parenthood’s practice of dickering over the body parts of unborn humans, one is immediately struck by the age of the “fetuses,” to use the medical term for what parents-to-be and their gynecologists still call a “baby,” lectures from The New Republic notwithstanding.

    According to video transcript, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, PPFA’s senior director of medical services, mentions prioritizing the abortion of a “17-weeker” the day before because he or she was “more likely to yield what we needed.” Second trimester abortions, she explained, are the “cases that yield the tissue that you want.” Nucatola noted that one-quarter of Planned Parenthood of Los Angeles abortions occur in the second trimester (3,000 out of 12,000, she said).

    Did you get that? Nucatola appears to be saying that three thousand second trimester abortions occur every year in just one Planned Parenthood region. In another video, Dr. Savita Ginde, identified as Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains’ Vice President and Medical Director, explains: “We’re doing procedures at seventeen weeks, so we have fairly large identifiable [body] parts.” She then discusses the need to train abortion doctors so they don’t crush the desirable organs of these four-and-a-half-month old fetuses.

    Guess who supports second trimester abortions, barring extreme extenuating circumstances? Almost nobody.

    When Gallup asked in 2012 whether abortion should be legal in the second trimester, only 27 percent of respondents said yes. This percentage has been nearly unchanged since Gallup began asking this question in 1996. As Slate’s Will Saletan noted in a 2014 piece analyzing abortion polling, “Even the most pro-choice people aren’t sold on abortion rights beyond the first trimester.”

    This was the general position even prior to the release of videos demonstrating the harsh reality of such abortions. Following the meeting with Dr. Ginde, the undercover video makers are taken to a Planned Parenthood pathology lab where a medical assistant called “Jess” picks at an aborted fetus. “I just want to see another leg, with a foot,” she says. Ginde chimes in: “Here’s the heart.” At one point Dr. Ginde inexplicably murmurs: “It’s a baby.”

    Even the abortionist can see it’s a baby. So what’s wrong with the Democratic Party?


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/05/planned-parenthood-democrats-baby-column/31101983/
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    07 Aug '15 07:02
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/5/new-hampshire-defunds-planned-parenthood-facilitie/

    Chris Sununu is a pro-choice Republican, but when he voted Wednesday to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in New Hampshire, he viewed it as a vote in favor of women’s health, not against.

    Before the New Hampshire Executive Council’s 3-2 vote denying the co ...[text shortened]... nding this organization right now for the state to just keep doing business with them,” he said.
    Planned Parenthood has a deceptive name. It should have been named Planned Abortions or something to that effect for it certainly isn't interested in parenthood.
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    07 Aug '15 07:372 edits
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Gosnell times a zillion. I predict our lefty friends are not going to want to talk about it.
    Well Mr. Sleepyguy...I'm one of your "lefty friends", and I do want to talk about it (so much for your prediction, huh?) You, SH76, RJHinds, Whodey and all the other self appointed experts here who love to politicize the subject of Planned Parenthood and abortion share one thing you may not have thought of: You're All Men. Just as all male panels of lawmakers frequently sit aloof and dictate to women what they may and may not do with their bodies, you folks sit at your computers with your noses pointed skyward and nit pick, finger point, and criticize the present system. None of you have ever been pregnant. None of you have ever been a poverty stricken female faced with the heavy decision of having to abort your unborn child, or trying to raise it under impossible circumstances. None of you have invited a woman in to one of your little bull sessions on the subject, now have you? You speak of the barbarism of Planned Parenthood. How barbaric is it that large groups of male lawmakers (most of them from the right wing) force themselves in to women's lives, and politicize and dictate the most personal decision a woman will ever make. Until you walk a mile in someone else's shoes guy's, you have no clue as to what your talking about, or have you thought about that??

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/20-week-abortion-bill_n_3385122.html

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/05/1213795/-All-Male-Congressional-Panel-Makes-Nationwide-Decision-On-Abortion#
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    Originally posted by bill718
    Well Mr. Sleepyguy...I'm one of your "lefty friends", and I do want to talk about it (so much for your prediction, huh?) You, SH76, RJHinds, Whodey and all the other self appointed experts here who love to politicize the subject of Planned Parenthood and abortion share one thing you may not have thought of: You're All Men. Just as all male panels of lawmaker ...[text shortened]... om/story/2013/06/05/1213795/-All-Male-Congressional-Panel-Makes-Nationwide-Decision-On-Abortion#
    You are getting hysterical again bill.

    First, no one is preventing women from participating in this thread, are they? Second, the issue is when life begins, and not when we feel like terminating a life. And lastly, do you support selling fetal parts? Does this not give you pause on some level?

    What most disgusts me is the hands off approach to abortion providers like Dr. Gosnell. He was investigated in 1979 and found to be in violation of a myriad of operational procedures. Their response? They stopped investigating him and let him go. Now turn the clock forward some 30 years and what was discovered was a grizzly trail of murder and malpractice, even on the standards of abortionists. He would specifically target minority women because he knew they were less educated and less apt to defend themselves legally. Does this not disgust you bill?

    Can you imagine walking into his office and seeing the jar of aborted fetus' that Dr. Gosnell kept as a memento bill? Not only viable children were murdered, women also lost their lives in these hell holes, and all because the government is so politically motivated to allow abortions did they decide to turn a blind eye in fear of any restrictions whatsoever regarding abortion might someday lead to such activity as being made illegal.

    Not even I advocate no abortions under any conditions. Even I recognize the need to abort a fetus that has no chance of living and will kill the mother if nothing is done. But for the love of God, this does not mean writing a blank check to monsters like Dr. Gosnell. There needs to be oversight and there needs to be restrictions.
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    07 Aug '15 13:42
    Originally posted by bill718
    Well Mr. Sleepyguy...I'm one of your "lefty friends", and I do want to talk about it (so much for your prediction, huh?) You, SH76, RJHinds, Whodey and all the other self appointed experts here who love to politicize the subject of Planned Parenthood and abortion share one thing you may not have thought of: You're All Men. Just as all male panels of lawmaker ...[text shortened]... om/story/2013/06/05/1213795/-All-Male-Congressional-Panel-Makes-Nationwide-Decision-On-Abortion#
    Oh, come on, Bill. You should be smarter than to use the "you're all sexist" desperation salvo.

    I'm pro-choice, but PP has engaged in a pattern of illegal activity that cannot easily be swept under the rug with blanket PC allegations of sexism.

    Try again.
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    07 Aug '15 14:14
    Originally posted by sh76
    Oh, come on, Bill. You should be smarter than to use the "you're all sexist" desperation salvo.

    I'm pro-choice, but PP has engaged in a pattern of illegal activity that cannot easily be swept under the rug with blanket PC allegations of sexism.

    Try again.
    Sexist Hillary hater!! 😠

    Good job Bill, you see right through sh! 😵
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    07 Aug '15 14:291 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    Well Mr. Sleepyguy...I'm one of your "lefty friends", and I do want to talk about it (so much for your prediction, huh?) You, SH76, RJHinds, Whodey and all the other self appointed experts here who love to politicize the subject of Planned Parenthood and abortion share one thing you may not have thought of: You're All Men. Just as all male panels of lawmaker ...[text shortened]... om/story/2013/06/05/1213795/-All-Male-Congressional-Panel-Makes-Nationwide-Decision-On-Abortion#
    Oh no, Mr. Bill.

    Women's health! Sexism!!

    What a classic pro-abortion dodge, immediately talking about anything and everything except the actual fact of the abortion itself. And I think that must be why these videos are such a problem for you, because they put the facts of the matter squarely on the table before you, in a tray, being picked through for salable parts.

    You see Bill, when pro-lifers like myself speak of abortion, we mean the actual cutting, tearing, crushing, rending and killing that happens to an innocent little person. It is simply an extreme and inhumane act of violence on a living baby, which the abortion industry knows it must hide from the public, and keep obfuscated behind clinical terms, talk of women's health, sexism and so on. And you know it too, Bill, which is why you are talking about these other things, and why my prediction was right.
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    07 Aug '15 14:52
    Two words: single payer.
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    07 Aug '15 16:091 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Two words: single payer.
    I'll let you imagine the two words I'm thinking.
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    07 Aug '15 16:42
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I'll let you imagine the two words I'm thinking.
    "Great idea"?
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    07 Aug '15 16:49
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    "Great idea"?
    Not quite 🙂
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    07 Aug '15 21:06
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Two words: single payer.
    Better answer: Personal responsibility

    Quit stealing from one group simply to pay for the irresponsibility of another group.
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