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  1. 16 Mar '17 12:27 / 2 edits
    http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/14/senate-democrats-are-delaying-drain-the-swamp/




    The federal government employs well over 2 million people. One man cannot lead an organization that large by himself.

    Not only do you need a full Cabinet, but you need hundreds of undersecretaries and deputies as well. Being president without the aid of your Cabinet and agency leaders makes the job almost impossible.

    But this is exactly the position Senate Democrats have chosen for the new Trump administration.

    Of the last seven administrations, three had a full Cabinet confirmed and in place within three weeks of the president’s inauguration.

    President Barack Obama had all but two nominees confirmed within two weeks of his inauguration. And President Bill Clinton had all but one nominee confirmed within one week after he took the oath of office.

    So, what about President Donald Trump?

    At four weeks into his presidency, a mere six of his 15 nominees had not yet been voted on. And at the end of week seven, two of those nominees haven’t even had a single committee hearing.

    How did this happen? Simple: Senate Democrats decided, as a conference, to block and obstruct Trump’s Cabinet nominees, carelessly smashing Senate norms of procedure and etiquette in the process.

    Senate Democrats have gone to such extraordinary lengths to sabotage the normal process of a new president staffing his administration that even The Washington Post called their obstruction “unprecedented.”

    Trump’s Cabinet remains unfilled nearly three months into his presidency. And the rate of confirmation for his other nominees has been just as slow.

    With more than 1,000 additional positions still needing to be confirmed by the Senate, the bureaucracy will keep humming along without reforms and critical areas of the government will be compromised. Meanwhile, Democrats fill their election war chests and cause a political media frenzy.

    This is not what the American people voted for in last year’s drain-the-swamp election. This is business as usual in Washington. And that’s just how the Democrats like it.
  2. 16 Mar '17 12:32 / 1 edit
    As we watch the Federal government fail as an institution, what should be done other than to continue to vote straight down your party line of choice?
  3. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    16 Mar '17 13:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    As we watch the Federal government fail as an institution, what should be done other than to continue to vote straight down your party line of choice?
    Endless bitching and moaning on internet forums should solve it.
  4. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    16 Mar '17 13:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/14/senate-democrats-are-delaying-drain-the-swamp/




    The federal government employs well over 2 million people. One man cannot lead an organization that large by himself.

    Not only do you need a full Cabinet, but you need hundreds of undersecretaries and deputies as well. Being president without the aid of your Cabinet a ...[text shortened]... mp election. This is business as usual in Washington. And that’s just how the Democrats like it.
    Boo Hoo Hoo...The GOP did exactly the same thing to Obama, the only difference is Obama chose people for his cabinet and other positions that were less extreme, decisive, and more appealing to both sides of the political aisle, and so, had them approved faster. This is what happens when you have an amateur in the White House Whodey.

    P.S. Having your cabinet picks with fewer ties to Russia would be a big help too!
  5. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    17 Mar '17 05:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    As we watch the Federal government fail as an institution, what should be done other than to continue to vote straight down your party line of choice?
    No, the Federal Government is not failing, despite your masturbatory delight in what is happening.

    It is Republican Federal Governments which have failed the People.

    I look forward to a time when everyone knows this, even Republicans. Even the Heritage Foundation, who is responsible for the ridiculous story in your OP.

    I wouldn't even mind a throwback to a Republican government in the style of Eisenhower, the very last Republican President with any honor.
  6. 17 Mar '17 07:26
    Obstructionism is certainly the new norm indeed. The previous administration was characterized by a constructive and pragmatic approach from their political opponents.
  7. 17 Mar '17 09:11
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/14/senate-democrats-are-delaying-drain-the-swamp/




    The federal government employs well over 2 million people. One man cannot lead an organization that large by himself.

    Not only do you need a full Cabinet, but you need hundreds of undersecretaries and deputies as well. Being president without the aid of your Cabinet a ...[text shortened]... mp election. This is business as usual in Washington. And that’s just how the Democrats like it.
    oh the hypocrisy. for 8 years the republicans instituted obstructionism as the ONLY way to govern. They flat-out said that their main objective is to deny Obama a second term. They even refused to even discuss a mainly conservative supreme court judge who supports Citizens United.

    And now you are whining that the democrats are trying to do the same? In matters so extreme as Betsy DeVos and Ben Carson being incompetent, Jeff Sessions being a racist and many more.

    You are absolutely hilarious.
  8. 17 Mar '17 09:12
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Obstructionism is certainly the new norm indeed. The previous administration was characterized by a constructive and pragmatic approach from their political opponents.
    hope this is sarcasm
  9. 17 Mar '17 10:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    oh the hypocrisy. for 8 years the republicans instituted obstructionism as the ONLY way to govern. They flat-out said that their main objective is to deny Obama a second term. They even refused to even discuss a mainly conservative supreme court judge who supports Citizens United.

    And now you are whining that the democrats are trying to do the same? I ...[text shortened]... being incompetent, Jeff Sessions being a racist and many more.

    You are absolutely hilarious.
    Obstructionism does not really exist other than in seemingly oppose every action of the opposing party, something voters have started to demand.

    No, they will still pass higher taxes, spend more of our money, launch wars abroad, and promote a further reduction to our standard of living with an added dependency on government no matter which party is in power. The only difference today is, there is the appearance of obstructionism, when anything is further from the truth. It's all just a big reality TV show with Trump leading the way.

    Rubes.
  10. 17 Mar '17 12:16
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obstructionism does not really exist other than in seemingly oppose every action of the opposing party, something voters have started to demand.

    No, they will still pass higher taxes, spend more of our money, launch wars abroad, and promote a further reduction to our standard of living with an added dependency on government no matter which party is in powe ...[text shortened]... ther from the truth. It's all just a big reality TV show with Drumpf leading the way.

    Rubes.
    no way i am deciphering this word soup of a post.
  11. Standard member vivify
    rain
    17 Mar '17 12:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/14/senate-democrats-are-delaying-drain-the-swamp/




    The federal government employs well over 2 million people. One man cannot lead an organization that large by himself.

    Not only do you need a full Cabinet, but you need hundreds of undersecretaries and deputies as well. Being president without the aid of your Cabinet a ...[text shortened]... mp election. This is business as usual in Washington. And that’s just how the Democrats like it.
    “If he (Obama) was for it, we had to be against it”.

    In your own words, please explain why you're not a hypocrite for not complaining when Republicans were almost abusively obstructionist (even shutting down the government and more filibusters against Obama than any other presidency in history).
  12. 17 Mar '17 14:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    “If he (Obama) was for it, we had to be against it”.

    In your own words, please explain why you're not a hypocrite for not complaining when Republicans were almost abusively obstructionist (even shutting down the government and more filibusters against Obama than any other presidency in history).
    I've posted on more than one occasion the incessant whining between both parties, as if they were monkeys locked in a cage together slinging poo.

    No one is ever held accountable for anything, and they both do pretty much the same things despite all the mindless talk. Obama really was never stopped from doing anything if you want to know the truth of the matter. He simply did not need their votes.

    As for shutting down the government, that they could have done but ultimately chose not to. The GOP promised to impose a debt ceiling which they ended up folding on and raising. This is all too predictable, despite the mindless chatter. Neither party has any intention whatsoever of seeking fiscal sanity or changing coarse that both parties continue to pursue.
  13. Standard member vivify
    rain
    17 Mar '17 15:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    I've posted on more than one occasion the incessant whining between both parties, as if they were monkeys locked in a cage together slinging poo.

    No one is ever held accountable for anything, and they both do pretty much the same things despite all the mindless talk. Obama really was never stopped from doing anything if you want to know the truth of the m ...[text shortened]... ion whatsoever of seeking fiscal sanity or changing coarse that both parties continue to pursue.
    You're dodging. See how in the OP you're specifically criticizing Dems? Why haven't you once done the same? Where your threads about Reps being FAR more obstructionist during the last presidency?

    It would be nice, whodey, if you just openly admitted your hypocrisy.
  14. 17 Mar '17 16:48
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    hope this is sarcasm
    It was a mixture of sarcasm and disbelief at whodey's pathological desire to be part of the most mocked and ridiculed sentient beings in the history of the Universe.
  15. 17 Mar '17 18:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    You're dodging. See how in the OP you're specifically criticizing Dems? Why haven't you once done the same? Where your threads about Reps being FAR more obstructionist during the last presidency?

    It would be nice, whodey, if you just openly admitted your hypocrisy.
    I've posted about not liking Trump and why and I've recently posted about the abysmal GOP health care plan. I continually remind conservatives that they have no voice in the federal government and the need for the Article V movement to succeed if they ever plan to have a voice.

    When have you posted anything against the DNC?