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  1. Standard membervivify
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    17 Dec '17 13:155 edits
    The other thread was unfortunately derailed by a butt-hurt Republican, who spammed a discussion about Trump with proven false claims about Obama. Given that Trump is now the one directly affecting this country, let's stick the topic.

    Look at everything listed below. This is the result of choosing Trump. Keep in mind that everything listed is only for his first year office; we have 3 more to go. We can never have someone like this guy in office again. Obviously, this list is far from exhaustive.

    I've made some additions (like with the EPA). Not in order:

    ---Trump ordered a ban on 7 Muslim-majority countries, but made exceptions for any Christians from those nations

    ---Appointed Scott Pruitt, a man who overturned a ban on a pesticide found to cause brain cancer in children (after meeting with executives of the pesticide's company). He then put forward plans to dramatically slash the EPA's budget, cut their workforce. He then removed climate change information from the EPA's website.

    ---- Overturned an Obama-era presidential order banning the dumping of coal into U.S. waters

    ---- Gave highly classified info to government officials of Russia, a nation proven to have tampered in American elections, and had hostile relations with the U.S. for decades

    ----- used the largest ever non-nuclear bomb—the "mother of all bombs"—just to kill a handful of suspected terrorists

    ----- Put Betsy Devos in charge of the Department of Education: a woman who spent millions lobbying for laws that drain resources from public schools (to funnel them to private schools), and fought for the deregulation of taxpayer-funded charter schools, She's currently being sued for failing to process more than 50,000 debt relief claims of former college students.

    ----- Tried to ban Transgender people from serving in the military

    ----- Selected a climate-change denier to head NASA

    ----- Made a moral equivalence between white supremacists and protesters of white supremacists in Charlottesville. Keep in mind that protesters were run over and killed by a car, by an angry white nationalist.

    ---- Told Rodrigo Duterte—a dictator who killed more people in one year than some previous Philippine dictators have in their entire term in power—that he was doing "a great job".

    ---- Hired Steve Bannon, a man who openly called himself a "voice of the alt-right".

    ---- Fired James Comey because he investigated Trump regarding collusion.

    ---- As part of his Muslim ban, signed an executive order that indefinitely banned Syrian refugees

    ----- Pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a man who ignored a federal court's order to stop violating civil rights of those he arrested. Arpaio targeted Hispanics, and jailed them without due process. He was also known for degrading the inmates he jailed, and bragged that his jails were "concentration camps".

    ----- Appointed Ajit Pai as head of the FCC, a man who tirelessly to kill net neutrality, and had countless private, backroom deals with USTelecom lobbyists, despite claiming he wanted "transparency" in the FCC. Ajit Pai also reversed a decision by his Democratic predecessor, Tom Wheeler, which would've allowed ISPs the ability to provide low-cost Internet access to poorer Americans.

    ----- Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris accord

    ---- Inflamed military tensions between the U.S. and North Korea

    ---- Trump canceled the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would have promoted U.S. trade at the expense of China.

    ---- Openly supported an accused child molester with credible evidence against him, to be elected senator.

    ---- Caused havoc and riots in the Middle East after naming Jerusalem Israel's capital

    ---- Advocated a tax plan that will greatly benefit the rich, at the expense of the poor

    ---- Tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with a plan where tens of millions will lose their health coverage

    ---- Severely damaged America's global reputation

    ---- Frequently put out false information or blatant lies, while hypocritically complaining about "fake news". This resulted in a Libyan investigation of slave trading being questioned (and possibly stopped), because the slave trade was uncovered by a CNN reporter. Libya used a Trump tweet about "fake news" to discredit CNN's report. This means that Trump could be the reason why slave trade continues in Libya.
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    Don’t forget all the laughter he’s given us!
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    17 Dec '17 14:431 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    The other thread was unfortunately derailed by a butt-hurt Republican, who spammed a discussion about Trump with proven false claims about Obama. Given that Trump is now the one directly affecting this country, let's stick the topic.

    Look at everything listed below. This is the result of choosing Trump. Keep in mind that everything listed is only for ...[text shortened]... 's report. This means that Trump could be the reason why slave trade continues in Libya.[/quote]
    The last one is a bit ridiculous; someone complaining about the so-called bias of a news organization leads to the slave trade in a country not being eliminated? Please. Hyperbolic claims of that sort damage the credibility of those making them.

    The US position on the matter has been made clear:

    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley condemned the abuses, saying: “To see the pictures of these men being treated like cattle, and to hear the auctioneer describe them as, quote, ‘big strong boys for farm work,’ should shock the conscience of us all.”

    “There are few greater violations of human rights and human dignity than this.”

    http://time.com/5042560/libya-slave-trade/
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    17 Dec '17 14:541 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    The other thread was unfortunately derailed by a butt-hurt Republican, who spammed a discussion about Trump with proven false claims about Obama. Given that Trump is now the one directly affecting this country, let's stick the topic.

    Look at everything listed below. This is the result of choosing Trump. Keep in mind that everything listed is only for ...[text shortened]... 's report. This means that Trump could be the reason why slave trade continues in Libya.[/quote]
    A thread started with the sole intent to discredit our sitting president with ludicrous claims such as responsible for slavery in another country is not only in-American it is completely idiotic. You may want to re-examine to whom your butt hurt comment applies!
  5. Standard membervivify
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    17 Dec '17 15:04
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    A thread started with the sole intent to discredit our sitting president with ludicrous claims such as responsible for slavery in another country is not only in-American it is completely idiotic. You may want to re-examine to whom your butt hurt comment applies!
    You've become quite the unabashed liar. I never claimed Trump was responsible for slavery. The Libyan government used a Trump tweet to discredit a CNN report that uncovered the slave trade. This means a trump tweet could have the real-world effect of impeding efforts to stop the slave tried.

    That's far different from your lie of saying I claimed Trump was responsible for slavery.

    Notice how the only thing from the OP you're able to attack is one opinion that came at the very end. You are angry that the rest of the post is completely factual, and that it makes your choice for president (and thereby, your party) look like a laughingstock.
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    17 Dec '17 15:08
    Originally posted by @vivify
    You've become quite the unabashed liar. I never claimed Trump was responsible for slavery. The Libyan government used a Trump tweet to discredit a CNN report that uncovered the slave trade. This means a trump tweet could have the real-world effect of impeding efforts to stop the slave tried.

    That's far different from your lie of saying I claimed Trum ...[text shortened]... and that it makes your choice for president (and thereby, your party) look like a laughingstock.
    Stand by your claims or shut up. 😉
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    17 Dec '17 15:091 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The last one is a bit ridiculous; someone complaining about the so-called bias of a news organization leads to the slave trade in a country not being eliminated? Please. Hyperbolic claims of that sort damage the credibility of those making them.

    The US position on the matter has been made clear:

    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley condemned th ...[text shortened]... ions of human rights and human dignity than this.”

    http://time.com/5042560/libya-slave-trade/
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news

    'Fake news': Libya seizes on Trump tweet to discredit CNN slavery report

    A tweet by Donald Trump accusing CNN of purveying “fake news” has been seized on by Libyan media to challenge a report by the US broadcaster which suggested modern day slave auctions were being held in the country.

    Over the weekend, Trump resumed his attacks on the US network, saying: “CNN International is still a major source of (Fake) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the truth from them!”

    But in a sign that the US president’s persistent attacks on the credibility of American news outlets has a real world effect, the broadcaster Libya 218 used the tweet to question the credibility of the CNN video.

    It suggested many of CNN’s reports often arose out of collusion to serve political objectives, and said: “Here the possibility arises that the channel has published the report of slavery in Libya to secure an as yet hidden political objective.”

    As you can see, the Trump tweet could very well obstruct efforts to end the Libyan slave trade. I didn't say it definitely would; I merely pointed out the reasonable possibility of such a thing happening.
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    17 Dec '17 15:11
    Originally posted by @vivify
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news

    [quote][b]'Fake news': Libya seizes on Trump tweet to discredit CNN slavery report


    A tweet by Donald Trump accusing CNN of purveying “fake news” has been seized on by Libyan media to challenge a report by the US broadcaster which suggested modern day slave au ...[text shortened]... it definitely would; I merely pointed out the reasonable possibility of such a thing happening.[/b]
    All I can do is laugh at you friend. Quit digging!
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    17 Dec '17 15:16
    Originally posted by @vivify
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news

    [quote][b]'Fake news': Libya seizes on Trump tweet to discredit CNN slavery report


    A tweet by Donald Trump accusing CNN of purveying “fake news” has been seized on by Libyan media to challenge a report by the US broadcaster which suggested modern day slave au ...[text shortened]... it definitely would; I merely pointed out the reasonable possibility of such a thing happening.[/b]
    I read the Guardian article.

    Sorry but what you said was:

    This means that Trump could be the reason why slave trade continues in Libya.

    Not that a Trump tweet might indirectly "obstruct efforts to end the Libyan slave trade" (which is far-fetched enough) but that it might be the actual "reason why" the "slave trade continues in Libya."

    That statement should be withdrawn.
  10. Standard membervivify
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    17 Dec '17 15:49
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    I read the Guardian article.

    Sorry but what you said was:

    This means that Trump could be the reason why slave trade continues in Libya.

    Not that a Trump tweet might indirectly "obstruct efforts to end the Libyan slave trade" (which is far-fetched enough) but that it might be the actual "reason why" the "slave trade continues in Libya."

    That statement should be withdrawn.
    Please explain what you find wrong with the following statement:

    If a Trump tweet obstructs a slavery investigation, slavery could continue as a result.
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    17 Dec '17 15:58
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Please explain what you find wrong with the following statement:

    If a Trump tweet obstructs a slavery investigation, slavery could continue as a result.
    The chance that "if" would be true is infinitesimal in this circumstance and thus the statement is hyperbolic and damaging to your credibility.
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    17 Dec '17 16:001 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The chance that "if" would be true is infinitesimal in this circumstance and thus the statement is hyperbolic and damaging to your credibility.
    How is it "hyperbolic" if Libyan media outlets are already dismissing CNN 's slavery report as a result of the tweet?
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    17 Dec '17 16:081 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    How is it "hyperbolic" if Libyan media outlets are already dismissing CNN 's slavery report as a result of the tweet?
    I give up; it's impossible to reason with hyperpartisans of any stripe.

    Keep making absurd exaggerations and see how seriously anyone takes you.

    EDIT: Try this: what effect will some "Libyan media outlets" have on the international investigation and possible sanctions and criminal charges against those who engage in the Libyan slave trade?
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    17 Dec '17 16:41
    Originally posted by @vivify
    How is it "hyperbolic" if Libyan media outlets are already dismissing CNN 's slavery report as a result of the tweet?
    put the damned shovel down!!! you are looking ridiculous!
  15. Standard membervivify
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    17 Dec '17 16:441 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    EDIT: Try this: what effect will some "Libyan media outlets" have on the international investigation and possible sanctions and criminal charges against those who engage in the Libyan slave trade?
    You've hit the nail on the head. Possible sanctions and international investigations are things the no government, including that of Libya, wants. Consider the following:

    https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-media-attacks-could-protect-libyas-slave-markets-c7539cd8fa3e/

    The Libyan-American Friendship Association (LAFA) deplored on Saturday claims of slave markets in Libya after a report broadcasted by the CNN. In a statement, the association warned of the serious consequences that would result from accusing Libya of this phenomenon, bearing in mind that this could lead to a harmful foreign interference in Libya’s affairs, according to the Libyan News Agency. The association pointed out that broadcasting such reports may cause strong reactions and fuel public opinion on local and global scales, renewing its commitment to work on developing the friendship and cooperation between Libya and the United States, according to the Agency.

    The CNN report already puts Libya in a tough spot, with pressure mounting as a result. Trump's "fake news" tweet has now given Libya an opportunity to discredit CNN's report, and shift blame away from themselves. This could severely impact efforts to end Libyan slave markets, since, as the link I posted indicates, Libya would prefer that these reports be thought of as false.

    Simply put, Libya has many reasons to latch on to Trump's tweet and discredit CNN. This, obviously, could halt efforts to end Libyan slave markets.
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